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and afghanistan to the relatives of the 2005 london transit bombings as well as the royal family. the editor has been arrested. david cameron has opened a public inquiry. for the first time in over a month, the yemen president spoke out. he's gone over eight operations. his complexion was darker, hands and arms covered with bandages. facial hair was gone. he made no mention of when he would return to yemen and welcomes power sharing as long as it is within the country's constitutional frame work. diplomats said there was a slim chance he would return. tell me what this means and your reaction to what you saw in terms of his appearance. >> it was bizarre. it's part of a larger power. look at yemen and egypt. what you see are prolonged stalemates and situation that is looked helpful. the middle east is in for a long, hot summer. a difficult winter and beyond. this is not going to be anything like a quick move to democracy and these countries. you can have large, ungoverned spaces where terrorists move in. it's a challenge for the united states. >> what is the largest threat to our national securit
of afghanistan and iraq. >> the republicans we have on the show say they are open to the loophole cuts. are they? >> tom coburn is. he provides a lot of cover. >> i was wondering what mike was quoting. how many pages can you get read in the seventh inning stretch? >> it's in between innings. it's the entire game. >> the tough thing for president obama, he's going to say he will extend the deadline, if it looks like a deal is coming together. this, to me, is the difficult part. if all he had to deal with was the senate, i have no doubt in the next week you would have a deal that would work. the house is difficult. he's going to need to know from nancy pelosi and john boehner the votes are in place. today, not even close to that. >> you will lose 100, maybe 120 republicans right out. if you get most of the democratic caucus and boehner pulls in 100 republicans, it gets done. it's up to the democrats. i think boehner can get 100 republicans. can pelosi get 120 democrats? >> right. okay. we are going to get to bill karins on the heat in a minute. before we go, new developments in the hacking scandal
intended to fund projects in afghanistan may be going to extremists, killing u.s. troops. a government audit finds billions of dollars literally disappearing and, now, possibly ending up in the hands of insurgents, molly henneberg is live in washington. hi, molly. what are the problems tracking u.s. money dispersed to afghan. >> reporter: there's a number of them, neither u.s. agencies nor afghan commercial banks record the serial numbers of cash or money transfers, paid to contractors or others in afghanistan. making it tough to track where the dollars go. once they are in afghanistan. also, according to an audit by herbert richardson, the acting special inspector general for afghanistan reconstruction, contractors are not prohibited from using unlicensed middle men to pay subcontractors. richardson wrote in a statement, the u.s. poured billions of aid dollars into a country plagued by corruption, insurgency and the narcotics trade and it is essential that we use all available tools to ensure that u.s. dollars are protected from fraud and diversion to the insurgency. he said at the st
afghanistan. so i'd like to know a little more about why the secretary said this, and what he's basing it on. heather: peter, that's what i was wondering about when i heard this over the weekend, these messages are always crafted very carefully. why send this message now and i'm wondering to what extent it might have been a message to president karzai in afghanistan, hey, we're not going there be there -- going to be there forever, get your house in order or a message to the american public? >> i think it's talking to a lot of people. obviously people in the united states because the president has just decided to withdraw 33,000 troops over the next year from afghanistan. i think he's trying to wind down that war in afghanistan. that's what the president wants. i think you're right, there is also an international audience around the world, and they may also be able to tell al-qaeda or folks who might join al-qaeda that hey, it's not really worth joining up because the fact of the matter is we've got you on the run now. and i do agree with him that it's worthwhile, putting as much pressure on
on the heels of the most absurd unfunded wars in iraq and afghanistan and unfunded trillion dollar medicare and bills and tax cuts for the wealt wealthy. i, myself, voted for all of this. back to my original point. >> welcome back to "morning joe". the medicare plan was a $7 trillion plan. most republicans have been watching. let's take a look now at the morning papers. the san francisco chronicle and a virtual fallout if congress fails to raise the contract. they took out $5.4 billion in loans, covering the bills in case money stops flowing in from washington. new york times under pressure from democratic colleagues, seven term representative, david wu said he would resign from congress following accusations of inappropriate sexual encounters last year. she was much, much younger. before the allegations, he was politically vulnerable. two others were going to challenge him. they have been talking about this going back to college, possible rape charges from his time in stanford. drivers in l.a. may regret paying ticket violations from traffic cameras. they admitted paying the fines is volun
now. everybody wants to talk about the wars in iraq and afghanistan. george afghanistan. george bush left office, he left a deficit of under $1 trillion. that is an obama stimulus package for one year and that was enough to hold us in iraq and afghanistan for seven years. host: let's go to a democratic caller in brooklyn, new york. caller in brooklyn, new york. caller: i think the numbers of the other caller are totally false. obama should keep his footing in this situation. the republicans say they will walk away and limit the amount of money but they will talk about that is on the table is preposterous. it is showing that they are scared and they are finally realizing that obama has an understanding of the economy and he has an understanding and backing of the people. right now is the time to change the way we need to move forward in terms of fiscal responsibility and in terms of paying our bills. with john boehner trying to figure out which way his caucus will both and which -- vote, he will lose his job and we will not be able to rectify the things that are wrong with the economy
/11. that was the argument that was being made that we had to do all of these other things and got into afghanistan and iraq. so there's no -- there's no argument from me or any republican. in fact, most republicans while you saw the losses in '06 and '08 came from those very republican whose stopped supporting the party, because it moved away from its conservative fiscal principles with respect to spending, by spending so much money. that's been the crust of this whole argument that helped form the tea party. the tea party folks by the way, did not start in 2009. >> right. that's my point. >> they've been in the works some time. >> they were absolutely silent. my point. >> when it came to spending the first coal health of the country. >> to bring it could current day, instead of going through the history, which i appreciate. right now we see that the discussion is back on potentially eliminating tax loopholes, lowering the corporate rate, which i am a big fan of and also part of the paul ryan plan. which was passed. sometimes being, a the speaker of the house can be a little like herding cats. i'm wonderin
50 national guard troops returned to cedar rapids, iowa, after spending a year in afghanistan. about 2800 men and women will return home to the area in the next few days. this is the largest deployment that the state has seen since world war ii. and those are your headlines. >> let's talk about what's going on. couple of days ago, we heard the president of the united states say don't call my bluff, eric cantor and i'll take my case directly to the american people. today, the president is going to take his case to the american people. he has a press conference this morning at 11:00 a.m. >> we'll see what he says again. there's no talks today, folks. they've been doing them every day this week. there was a rumor maybe they'd go to camp david this weekend but not sure if that's going to happen. no talks today. >> fascinating to see after an hour and 19 minutes yesterday that eric cantor did not say a word today, yesterday, and on thursday. now the president for the second time this week will have his press conference at which time he's going to do something. i think it's his third one
want to get you caught up in another headline coming out of afghanistan. the president's brother, half- brother, shot dead by bodyguards. joining us on the phone is hei di with the associated press. what happened? guest: this man was a close associate of the president's brother. he was in ahmad wali karzai's house and shot him at least twice before he himself was gunned down. host: was it his own bodyguard? who was this person? caller: we are still gathering details on who this man was. it's clear he was a very close, personal friend. he does handle security for ahmad wali karzai. it sounds like he is a much higher level than your personal bodyguard would be. in theaallowed a gun home, which shows the trust between the two men. brother awas karzai's target? very powerful figure in southern afghanistan and a very controversial one. he's the head of the provincial council, which on its own would make him the man controlling the area. both because of his connections to the president and a lot of associations -- he made things happen in kandahar province, which is the real former stronghol
petteri will be receiving the medal of honor because he had a gun to his head in afghanistan. he was asked to do something for his country, let's ask these people in washington to do something for their country. just get together and get something done. >> you know, there is huge news out of afghanistan this morning that we're going to get to as well as rupert murdoch and his media empire. what's going on with that. >> this is extending, by the way, to "the times" of london? >> yes, the big story. >> the other players, this is earth shattering. i thought the big thing -- i thought it was about one tabloid. whew. this is so serious. >>> ahead this morning, we're going to bring in the ranking member of the budget committee, congressman chris van hollen. and oil tycoon t. boone pickens will be here. eugene robinson. >> by the way, on that story, i mean, they're not tapping the phones of the british prime minister, but they're -- they're trying to get his records -- >> may be an institution that has rot on the the core. it is a big problem. >> medical records. >> bank accounts. >> after the br
, that's clear, isn't it? so there he was, he was making his 15th trip to afghanistan and it was while he was over at camp leatherneck that the marines asked him, okay, if there are a bunch of pentagon cuts, how is that going to affect our equipment and stuff like that. and wherever he has gone so far during this particular swing through the country of afghanistan, the troops are saying are we going to get paid? and he's saying, i don't know. just know this whatever you are owed you'll get paid eventually. you know, and this is how this works down. if we do, talking about if we go into a debt ceiling where we can't pay our bills technically which i don't agree with anyway, let's say, the president has the tablt to decide who gets paid when. clearly the debt is going to get paid first. china and saudi arabia are paid before our military, as bad as that sounds, that has to happen, so our borrowing costs don't go through the roof and then pay the military and social security, and if you dodonn tt order, give the department of education money first, it's the president's fault. it's not congre
afghanistan and he's meeting with leaders there and meeting with u.s. troops. early wake-up call on the shuttle atlantis. >> ♪ i get knocked down i get back up again i get knocked down i get back up again ♪ >> seems like i just heard it on the radio yesterday. waking up to the song and today they will be supplying a supply module on the outside of the international space station using a robotic arm and they'll prepare for a space walk tomorrow. meantime, nasa keeping a close eye on some space degree that could come dangerously close to the space station. the duke and duchess of cambridge are back home in london after a 12-day tour of canada and the united states. william and kate left los angeles international airport yesterday taking up more than a dozen seats in first class on a regular british airways commercial flight. the final activity on their california trip paying tribute to the men and women in the military and helping make care packages for children of deployed service members. and those are your headlines. >> they look very much at home in america. >> they did.
from afghanistan. >> i take a moment of my day to invite you on november 18, with yours truly, from new jersey, take a second, think about it and get back to me. molly: sergeant scott moore from the manies posted this video over 46,000 people have watched it so far and still no word on her response. >> she is cool, and beside being gorgeous on a 70's show and she made a really good movie. sorry i brought it up i can't remember the movie. molly: "black swan." >> she is funny with a huge bit of talent. >> maybe it will come true. >>dave: and now, in sports, from china, ming has decided to call it quits retiring after nine seasons. ming has been plagued by injuries and missed 250 games. and 9-time all star because china can vote, but he would still be six or seven time all star, and ming will hold a news conference in shanghai later this month to discuss his future plans. he changed the game bringing it to china. and more news of the troubled ohio state football program. the buckeyes were 12-1 last season but they decided to vacate all of their wins including the sugar land bowl in hopes t
in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> coverage of america's longest wars in both afghanistan and iraq have fallen from the papers of national news. a group of dedicated war journalist, still putting their live on the day every day to try to keep america and the world inform pd in total, 170 journalists have been killed in afghanistan and iraq since the u.s.-led invasion. now the world's deadliest area to be a member of the press, despite the so-called end of combat operations. an with us now is al jazee reporter on the ground in iraq. aung irof "hue to avoid being killed in a war zone." the essential survival guide for dangerous places. and rosie, how much of a barrier to cover good war coverage, how much of a barrier to good war coverage has the failure to prepare to cover the war been? >> well, i think that it's the biggest obstacle right now in everything that's going on this year is safety. because, really, that's the only obstacle. there is so much news out there, and whether we can actually get to it is the biggest problem. >> if we are not able to cover these wars, what do you see as being
while tossing an enemy grenade away from fellow soldiers in afghanistan. sergeant first class leroy arthur petry is the second recipient of the award for actions in iraq and afghanistan. a baseball fan is lucky to be alive after he almost fell 20 feet head first while trying to catch a ball during the all-star home run derby. keith car michael's brother, friends and some fans grabbed his legs and likely saved his life. last night's incident comes just days after a texas ranger's fan plunged to his death while trying to grab a ball. >>> and the new york fan who caught derek jeter's 3,000th career hit and gave it back instead of trying to cash in could still be slapped with a big tax bill. as much as $14,000 according to some reports. that's because yankee boss gave christian lopez free luxury suite tickets to every remaining game and a lot of yankee autograph swag. if that's taxable income then he'll have to pay up. if it's considered a gift, then he'll be safe from the irs. >> why wouldn't be a gift? >> i don't know. they have to figure this out. what i will say as a non-baseball fa
in afghanistan and iraq and not really cutting the deficit. we're boring 40 cents on the dollar for every dollar that we spend in washington. and we cannot keep doing this. one thing i like to see is the repeal of obamacare. that alone would save us $2.5 trillion in the next 10 years. as far as the reid plan, i like to see him get it through the senate. i did not think that it would pass. host: couple we go to an independent in michigan, here is what the "new york times calls " says this morning. go ahead. caller: i called my representative yesterday and asked him to work with the president to compromise and make sure that the debt ceiling is raised over into 2013. this is destroying our economy. host: where do you see compromise? caller: th reid plan has cuts and take this off the table until 2013. i think that that makes sense. host: so you do not agree with republicans on this. caller: i do not. there is trillions of dollars being cut. let's take this and we don't want to make this something that the rest of the world is going to use against us. our dollar is worth nothing in the last 10 year
of other members of congress, there were warlords from the northern alliance of afghanistan that wanted to meet with us because we were told that the administration didn't want to meet with them and after we met with them it was clear why the administration wouldn't want to. now, i was not aware and it was during the bush administration, of course, our initial actions in afghanistan, we sent in intelligence, we sent in special forces, we sent in weaponry, we equipped the northern alliance tribes who had a special personal interest in defeating the taliban. and afghanistan as a whole had seen how evil the taliban was. how much damage they could do to society as they burned paintings and books and films and totally suppressed freedom in afghanistan. they knew. these people were evil but they were afraid of them but with the united states weaponry, with our guidance and intelligence training these people defeated the taliban. what i was not aware of until we met with these folks and turns out i could have been aware, i just was not, but do you the research, you find out, the bush administr
in iraq, afghanistan, and elsewhere. what we need to do is have a growth agenda. we need to reprioritize. so instead of subsidizing off-shore jobs, we are subsidizing the growth of manufacturing here in the united states. let me make my second point. this is what the is about. republicans put a bill on the floor that they call cut, cap, and balance. i called it cut, cap, balance, wink, and nod. it absolutely wasn't real. if you just lost your job, because it was out sourced. if you are the c.e.o., you made the million dollars, you get a $100,000 check in the mail tax cut. how is that fair? backbone of the american economy. and the bill on the floor was a kick to the stomach. we need solutions defend middle class than those who provide tax holes for the middle class. host: i want to ask about yesterday what was provided for the public? guest: if you were an auto broker, yeah, it was a good deal. but going into that deal, most was recouped. at the end of the process, yes, over $1 billion, if you are an auto worker, and you are checked your job, and we have a job analysis in the united stat
detonated explosives hidden in his turbin. he is the latest top ranking official killed in afghanistan. two week ago, hamid karzai's half brother was gunned down in his home. meantime, the state department warning the killing of usama bin laden could increase the terror threat to americans around the world. that's why officials are reiterating the warning today. the initial alert was set to expire next week. the warning describes ongoing attacks by al-qaida including suicide attacks, assassinations, kidnappings and hijackings. a law me want to help september 11th first responders with health coverage will not apply to people with cancer? a new government study says there's an insufficient link between toxins at ground zero and documented cancer cases. but that is not sitting well with many. >> i've been to 53 funerals. 51 are because the person died of cancer. >> the government will do another study on cancer cases next year. an update on the mother convicted of killing her 4-year-old son because she was jaywalking with him when he was hit by a car. a judge in georgia gave her a choice yes
to assure that if they are in afghanistan or iraq, the families don't worry about paying the mortgage on time. >> shannon: i understand that might be an area on capitol hill you have bipartisan support. >> yes. absolutely. social security would be covered because that comes from a different fund anyway. you have the social security covered. you can do this as a first priority. i think we should. i don't think people should be worried about payments in the categories where it is a life or death situation. >> shannon: you am quite sure that republicans understand how well it works when the democrat talk about the fact that maybe the checks won't go out. do you think it will take the conversation off the table if it passes? >> it should. we should haven't the president saying he might be able to send social security checks out. he can. of he absolutely can. it's a different fund. they know that. it is a scare tactic. we need to roll up the sleeves and get long-term answers and save social security extending the age three months a year. that is my proposal. we need to make sure people see
,000 to afghanistan so we can spend dollars a gallon on gasoline of afghan people spend a dollar and 20 -- $1.20. it is ridiculous what we allow these people to get away with. and how many people -- i think there is 37% of this nation that consider themselves republicans now. i just can't believe there are that many stupid people in this nation. have a nice day, susan b. host: thank you. a headline in "the wall street journal." sara lee and janet hook. one note -- investors in u.s. treasuries are not betting a major deal will solve the u.s. debt situation. a tweet from peter hogan -- >> is clarksburg, west virginia. dispensed -- next is clarksburg, west virginia. spence. caller: i would like to say united we stand and divided we fall and we need to apply it to the government. we need to start with congress eliminating their little perks. some of the benefits we give to congress -- and the military men, paying them what they do, benefits for life, but when these clowns of their retired they carry a lifetime package with them. if we want to talk about deficit cuts, maybe we can close some of th
of the wars in afghanistan and pakistan. >> still not getting serious. >> i went away from fuzzy. >> is that like jerry at trick math? >> yes. >> are you surprised they don't have a deal today? i actually really -- i mean, i really thought -- >> i would be shocked if they don't have a deal in the next two or three days. again, republican freshmen may have a big ideology difference with barack obama and his world view, and the divide is no greater than ronald reagan's was with tip o'neal in 1983 when they sat down, and they did a kneel. yes, you differ with barack obama and the democrats, but -- >> usually you are good at seeing somebody's angle. like you know what their angle was. what is the angle here? i don't get it. >> these republicans believe this is their only opportunity -- >> are they so stuck to the contract with the tea party they cannot think outside the box for the good of the country? seriously? >> can i finish? you asked a question and i need to finish. they understand one thing. >> what do they understand? >> they are dead right about this. this is their best chan
panetta, the former head of the cia. he's saying on his first trip to afghanistan, his first public comments, really, saying that the defeat of al-qaeda is within reach and here is what he had to say on saturday. >> we're within reach of strategicically defeating al-qaeda. if we could be successful at going after them, i think we can really undermine their ability to do any kind of planning to be able to conduct any kind of attack on this country. but that's that. that's why i think it's within reach 'cause they're going to sake some more work? you bet it is, but i think it's within reach. >> mike: in the first couple of days, is that statement too bold, that statement? >> i like it, covets. >> ainsley: i do, too. >> dave: that was supported by congress and we like his congress and david petraeus echoed that and holds the promise of a strategic defeat of al-qaeda. he is he, too, is confident if we can get more kills, 20, we would crush. >> ainsley: 10 to 20. >> mike: al-qaeda is all over the world and not just in pakistan. >> dave: they believe the head of al-qaeda is in pakistan al
of that is what senator reid calls the winding down of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. that will save a trillion dollars. now republicans have called that a gimmick, a savings from wars that are winding down, even though, by the way, the same savings were counted in some republican budgets. reid's plan would not reform or cut medicare, medicaid, social security. also no changes to taxes. it would raise the debt ceiling by 2.4 trillion dollars. that would be enough to fund the government through next year's election. the boehner plan is considered more short term. it would raise the debt ceiling in two different steps. the first step would happen immediately raising the ceiling by a trillion dollars and spending cuts of 1.2 trillion over ten years. and get us to next year, right some we need a second vote to raise the debt ceiling again by another $1.6 trillion. that second increase would be contingent on more cuts. another $1.8 trillion in spending cuts and have to be agreed to by a bipartisan committee. >> so far, the debt stalemate has been a drag on the stock markets but not as bad as some of
discharged veteran? >> we have all of these and people coming back from iraq and afghanistan. they have made incredible sacrifices. they have taken on incredible responsibilities. you see a 23-year-old leading a platoon in dangerous circumstances, making decisions, operating complex technologies. these are folks that can perform. unfortunately, a lot of these young veterans have a higher and to limit rate than people who did not serve. -- have a higher unemployment rate than people who did not serve. we want to combine a tax credit for a company that hires veterans with a campaign to have private companies step up and do the right thing and hire more veterans. in the federal government, we have made huge emphasis on ramping up our outreach to veterans and the hiring of veterans. this is been a top priority of mine. the notion that these folks who have sacrificed for our freedom and security are coming home and not able to find a job, i think that is unacceptable. >> this next question was heavily re-tweeted and voted up by our user base. this is about the debt ceiling and tax cuts. >> the as
eye. >>> the ultimate sacrifice, bute soldier who lost his life in afghanistan but gives his heart to a woman back home. we'll have the story coming up. a vacation on a budget with expedia. make it work. booking a flight by itself is an uh-oh. see if we can "stitch" together a better deal. that's a hint, antoine. ooh! see what anandra did? booking your flight and hotel at the same time gets you prices hotels and airlines won't let expedia show separately. book it. major wow factor! where you book matters. expedia. >> good morning, sunday, july 24th, i'm juliet huddy in for alisyn camerota, a "fox news alert," new developments in the norway terror attacks. the suspect claims responsibility, and, he says he acted alone as police try to learn the motivation behind the massacre. >> dave: could there be a breakthrough in the debt ceiling show down, john boehner says he has a plan, treasury secretary tim geithner says, it won't fly. stuart varney, is going to come up and say it is judgment day, and... >> as an elected official you think it is her job to defend the pledge of allegiance an
in discretionary spending. also a lot of money from war money. he's saying as afghanistan and iraq wrap up, there's about a trillion dollars in savings. that's kind of controversial, brooke, because republicans don't count that money. but bottom line, $2.7 trillion all in savings cuts. you might like all them. that's what he's saying. he has a longer term committee in here but it would just make recommendations for long-term reform, really would have a vote on that but wouldn't force those reforms to happen. >> so i want to look at this plan here that you now have. i want to look at what supporters would say and also opponents. from everything i've been reading trying to keep up with all of this, the big difference here from the democrats' side there's no mention of revenue increases, correct? >> huge concession from democrats. the whole time democrats say there must be revenue on the table, republicans say they can't be. now democrats are dropping that huge demand. here is what supporters would say. this plan gets it done. they would say we're out of time. we're in the going to push for all of o
and afghanistan. if before the newspaper announced it was closing, members of the british house of commons held an emergency debate on wednesday to discuss whether a full public inquiry was needed to look into the phone hacking. you're the first hour of that debate with remarks by the british attorney general and the labor spokesman for home affairs. >> we come to the emergency debate on phone hacking at the news o >> the housethe house will obsen the light of interest, i have imposed a seven minute limit on the back bench contributions. it'll take effect after the contributions. it'll depend on early contributions. to open the debate, i call mr. bryan's. in were hacked by the news of the world. >> one family member spoke today. another has been in touch with me and several others. the police are looking at not dust wireless phones of these families but the family of mcca hn.the charge is even longer. this is particularly worrying given the long third trial. scandalously, it also seems it targeted some of those police officers who were at various times in charge of the investigation into the ne
into this area, the neighborhoods around mogadishu are referenced by locals there as "little afghanistan." a year ago, al-shabaab conducted the first attacks actually outside of somalia. they killed 76 people, including one american in you going to -- in uganda. there is growing concern that al-shabaab leaders are striving to strike targets not just beyond somalia, but beyond africa. a european plot was recently uncovered. it was in the works and it was uncovered. links between al-shabaab and al- qaeda in the arabian peninsula, the most active of all of the outcry that franchisees -- al qaeda franchises, are becoming more and more clear. they are working together on training. they are working together on tactics. the bomb-making capability that al qaeda has, the expertise that they have, is being combined recruits.abaab's they frequently have western passports. many of them have u.s. passports. this is quite a deadly combination. that is why, last month, director panetta called al- shabaab's threat to the homeland "significant and on the rise." u.s. forces have gone on the offensive, of course, t
're putting money in other places like to the war, places like that in afghanistan, to other wars. that is my question. guest: two interesting things your question brings up. when fdr desigd so security, he said, we're going to put it on your checks every week so you will see it being taken out and you will note it is there for you. that was very, very important to fdr and the preservation of the social safety net. also, he said, we are going to make sure that every time >> "washington journal" begins live every morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern. live to capitol hill now. oklahoma senator tom coburn is about to release his plan to cut the deficit by $9 trillion over the next decade. >> good afternoon. thank you for being here. let me first of all thank my staff, who has worked thousands of hours the last six weeks to accumulate, sifted through every agency and every program of the federal government. you are going to see in this report details like you have never seen. this is a plan, not the only plan, but it is the only plan that will put our country back on a footing in needs to be put on. it i
and afghanistan, and i think history will show that we were right to get into those. and we've had fairly good results so far from them though they've been very costly. >> i just always think it's important to tlook at history to then bring us to the president. as we come back here to 2011 and specifically your role, sir, in this. i know you're a staunch conservative. are you able to lead the way and compromise and the tea party are watching your every move, sir? >> well, it looks like this is going to be thrown over into gsh if it passes, it will be thrown over to the finance committee and we'll see what we can do to do this without raise taxes but also by doing appropriate cuts that really should happen. and by reforming some of these programs so that they work better, cost less. that will be less government. >> a lot of americans would agree with you, but are you willing to compromise given that you're up for re-election and you have tea party republicans looking closely at you. >> they have to be worked out but they have to be made on a basis that makes sense and not raise taxes. we're tax
is going to count winding down the war in afghanistan as a substantial part of the savings. that could be worth about $1 trillion over 10 years. meanwhile, john boehner is working on his own deficit- reduction debt limit increase plan. he would take -- that plan would be affected in two stages. the first would be $900 trillion or so deficit reduction package, spending cuts, paired with roughly equal amount in debt limit increase. then he would empower a special committee to find an additional $1.60 trillion to authorize or trigger another increase in the debt ceiling. the problem with this proposal, however, it would require raising the debt ceiling by the requisite $2.40 trillion amount into the stages. that is something the president and democratic leaders after yesterday's said is a nonstarter. they say it would create too much uncertainty for the marketplace and the economy if this process had to be replaced at the beginning of next year or summer of next year. >> the house republicans made their own at last it with a cap and balance plan that did not make it to the senate. the pre
eliminating money with the wars in be afghanistan and iraq. that's also future looking. so i'm asking you today in terms of changes to the tax code for corporations because we know there's plenty of corporations that last year ended up paying relatively little or no taxes at all. are you putting forward anything in terms of corporate tax reform that you would be willing to undo in loop loopholes today? is. >> i think we all agree tax loopholes are something we can do about, that's definitely an area we compromise on without any difficulty whatsoever. but the point is putting in a system of tax reform that is simpler, flatter, less cumbersome especially for our business owners in the cost of doing business. so this is what we're looking at. but we are definitely against any tax increases, any tax increases alone. martha: all right, so goldman sachs if they don't get $4 trillion, what happens is a plan that's short of $4 trillion in real spending cuts, they're likely to downgrade their rating on u.s. debt. what do you think about that? >> well, you know, that's unfortunately what we're face
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